Posted on 22 October 2008 by Greha Mataliya
Do not be surprised if your loan application is rejected even after you have paid off your much due credit card outstanding balance. The bank might have called you and given you an option where you could just pay a specified sum, in return for a settlement letter. Once you do that and get the settlement letter, it doesn’t for a moment mean that the slate has been wiped clean. You apply for a personal loan or a home loan and the lender will simply let you know that it isn’t interested in lending to you because your name comes up in the Defaulters list on the Satyam or CIBIL list.
When you go in for a settlement, banks can and will legally report you as a defaulter - to the extent of the dues foregone by them - at the credit bureau. All details concerning your default stay at the credit bureau for 7 years. You must understand that you CANNOT remove your name from this defaulters’ list. It will be removed from the list only after seven years, provided you do not default on any subsequent loans (if you manage to get it, that is). What you COULD do is to try applying for a secured credit card - a card that is offered against your term deposits at the bank. This type of card is available at many banks. Build a good credit record with it. This will not remove your name from CIBIL defaulter list but it will improve your credibility in your credit report. This would also increase your chances of getting credit facility from various banks at decent terms in future.
Posted on 12 July 2008 by Name Withheld
I have been unable to get a car loan sanction from the Sate Bank of India (SBI) because of credit report in CIBIL database which showed problems in the year 2003-04.As reported to me by SBI, three sundry loans are overdue on my name. I enclosed to CIBIL, e-mails from customer care of HSBC.CITI, ICICI & ABN AMRO banks of which I used to hold credit cards. While the former three have denied any credit report sent to CIBIL against my name, ABN AMRO has requested to CIBIL for deletion of my name. CIBIL is asking for nine digit control number and expressing inability to provide me with my credit report. To the best of my knowledge, I did not hold any other card. How do I get out of this problem?
Posted on 26 June 2008 by Harsh Vardhan Roongta
This is a strange notion for most of us who think of “trust” only in the context of institutions or people (banks and other companies) with whom you deposit your hard earned money. After all what do you care whether the bank from whom you borrow is trustworthy or not. After all it is they who have to recover money from you and it is they who should be worried whether you are trustworthy and not the other way around. I was very much a part of this school of thought till a few months ago. But some recent events that affected me personally have forced me to rethink.
Incident Number 1
I had signed as a guarantor for the education loan taken by my brother from a leading housing finance company (they also have a relatively lesser known education loan program) to fund his MBA program at the prestigious Indian School of Business (ISB), Hyderabad. This education loan did not require any repayment (either of interest or principal) during the first 15 months. Now comes the twist. Towards the end of his one year program my brother informed me of a problem with the education loan. He informed me that a lot of his fellow students had taken a loan from the same institution. It seems that the “systems” of that institution could not handle the repayment holiday built into the structure of this education loan (probably since the “system” had been built for “home loan” and not “education loan”) and hence the system continued to generate bills for the interest month after month for the interest accrued on the loan amount (even though it was not payable but was only to be accumulated). Since the bills were generated they showed up as overdue as they were not paid (obviously since the education loan agreement clearly provided for the payment holiday). This then got reported as a default to the credit bureau (see this article titled
Do you want to get married? Pay your bills on time for what is a credit bureau and its vital effect on our lives). It seems that a loan request of another student’s guarantor had been turned down due to this “default”. I have always understood the vital importance of a good credit record and have taken great care to maintain a spotless repayment record. Hence I was shocked by this. Fortunately my brother and his fellow affected students (with a lot of help from ISB) took up the matter strongly with the lender. Given the clout of ISB the lender took these complaints seriously. They promised to officially inform the credit bureau of the “system” error and ensure that the so called “default” was wiped off the credit bureau records for both the student as well their guarantor. In practice however they just got the credit report of my brother. They dismissed the requirement for my credit report by saying that their “systems” showed that they had not reported the “default” in my account to the credit bureau and hence there was no requirement to get a copy of my credit record. Given that my faith in their so called “system” was zero, we insisted that they get the credit report to prove their point. They were very reluctant and only after some heavy duty follow up we at last managed to get the credit report. My impression was that they were reluctant to get the report because of the cost of Rs. 50/- or so involved in getting the report from CIBIL. Given the fact that the entire mess was created due to the fault in their systems the casual manner in which they treated their own promise was scary and disgusting at the same time. Fortunately the credit report itself was clean of any issues but I had spent a good four weeks being tense.
Incident Number 2
This happened just around the same time as the first incident above was unfolding and I was yet to receive a copy of my credit report. To test out if any adverse record had been included in my credit report, I decided to apply for a credit card online with a leading foreign bank in India which offers a completely online process for credit cards with no requirements to submit any documentation or any verification calls. Imagine my horror when for the first time in my life my credit request was turned down. I was now sure that my credit report had been tarnished beyond repair. However very soon I did get a copy of my credit report (see first incident above) and it was clean as a whistle. So now I was left staring at another mystery. Why was my credit card request turned down? I got the answer soon enough after a few follow ups with the concerned bank. It seems that as per their records the bank had already issued the credit card I had requested a few years ago and as per their records I continued to hold that credit card. So naturally they could not issue me the same credit card again. They helpfully suggested that I could apply for any other credit card from their stable. What left me scared was that the bank showed a credit card as being owned by me whereas I never had that credit card. I wrote to them disclaiming any responsibility for any dues on that so called credit card held by me. I am still running scared if somebody will misuse this so called credit card and I will be saddled with the resultant impact on my credit report.
Incident No. 3
A bulky open envelope of my home loan lender (one of India’s leading private sector bank) with my name and address on it was handed over to the watchman of my building by a passerby who claimed to have found it on the road near my house. The watchman promptly delivered the envelope to my home. When I examined it in the night I was horrified to find the complete loan papers of my loan against property account (fortunately only Xeroxes and not originals). It included all my income tax returns and bank statements as well. What’s more there were similar papers for 7 other borrowers of the same bank. What were they doing in a envelope with my name on it? Who in the bank had access to these papers and what were they doing on the roadside? Did anyone in the bank miss those papers at all? What would have happened if the papers would have fallen in the wrong hands? Clearly the bank’s operational processes were treating our confidential documents in a completely cavalier fashion.
The common factor among all the 3 incidents above is operational failure. So what makes the lenders across sectors (the above 3 incidents involved an housing finance company, private sector bank and a foreign bank – and I have no reason to believe that the other kind of lenders are better at operations than these 3 are) so sloppy in operational matters. The biggest reason of course is that operations preparedness has lagged the appetite of lenders for making loans. The second reason is that they know they can get away with it with the worse that can happen to them being a rap on the knuckles. There are no laws governing the bank’s obligations to its consumers. At most we have RBI regulations and guidelines. None of them lay down the compensation payable to consumers by the lenders if they violate these guidelines. As these are not laws passed by parliament only the regulator can take action against the lenders for violation of such regulations/guidelines. The consumer can only complain to the regulator and wait for them to take action. Approaching consumer courts is time consuming (though not expensive) and most consumers are loath to use this route. In any case even where the courts hold that there is a deficiency of service on the part of the lender, the compensation provided is peanuts and has no punitive impact on the concerned lender. In more developed countries if the court rules in favour of the consumer on a similar issue it will perhaps award substantial damages to make sure that the lender will take all the necessary corrective steps to avoid a similar incident happening in the future.
So is there no hope for Indian loan consumers. That is not really true. A small beginning has already been made with the appointment of the banking ombudsman (which unfortunately does not cover housing finance companies and NBFCs) which is already having a positive impact. The Credit Information companies regulation act (which governs credit bureaus) with the rules made under it provide that banks will exercise due caution in reporting the correct figures to the Credit bureau. Unfortunately even this act does not lay down any remedy that the consumers can pursue directly against the lenders for wrong reporting of information (an example being incident 1). However the regulatory environment is now far more sensitive to these concerns and we should see more gradual progress in ensuring that lenders adopt the required operational procedures that will minimise the chances of the kind of incidents that Ii have narrated above. Off course if a smart politician gets hold of this issue (and has the patience to understand its wide ranging impact) it will not be long before we see parliament enacting laws on this. After all everybody loves to hate the lenders (though they serve a most useful function) and they will be a soft target for politicians to score brownie points with their middle class voters in an election year.
Harsh Vardhan Roongta is CEO, Apnaloan.com Services Pvt. Ltd.